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Unrelating with Kel & Michelle
Unrelating is an all new podcast that explores relationships, why we do what we do, and what causes people to "un-relate". Join Kelly & Michelle as they talk to real people about the relationship challenges they face and provide an expert to help them sort it all out.
Unrelating is hosted by show producer Kelly Beck and relationship expert Michelle Schafer. Michelle is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist who has been providing individual and couple’s therapy for two decades.
Michelle has her Bachelor’s degree in Biopsychology and Cognitive Science from the University of Michigan and a Master’s in Clinical Psychology, with an emphasis in Marriage and Family Therapy, from Pepperdine.
Through her practice, she has seen patterns and themes that connect us as people. Her scientific background will help us learn about the brain mechanisms that influence our behavior. And her psychology background will help us figure out if we should continue in the relationships we’re in!
Follow us on Instagram @unrelatingpocast and be sure to download us on Apple, iHeart, Spotify, Youtube, or wherever you get your podcasts!
And if you have a question, comment or would like to be a guest on the show, email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com
Episodes
85 episodes
Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 46 Deep Dive: Are You Just a Teenage Dirtbag, Baby?
On this week's deep dive of Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 46 with Meehika Barua, Michelle reflects on how young people are having to navigate the world these days.Meehika Barua can be reached at
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Are You Just A Placeholder?
Kel and Michelle sit down for a candid and eye-opening conversation with writer Meehika Barua about placeholder partners, why people stay in relationships when their partners show no signs of commitment, when to set the proper dating boundaries...
Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 45 Deep Dive: Running Towards the Finish Line
In this deep dive of the episode featuring therapist Dan Duane, Michelle explores what we can do to be intentional and reflective about our life and death.To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest, email us...
Running Into The Fire
Kel and Michelle sit down with new psychotherapist Dan Duane, who pivoted from a successful journalism career later in life, for a candid conversation on why men’s attitudes about the therapy profession are shifting, the desire to “run directly...
Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 45 Deep Dive: Could You Be My Neighbor?
In this Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 45 Deep Dive, Michelle talks about what happens when you start to notice the world through the eyes of someone with different challenges and how we don't need to be afraid of acknowledging the ...
Could You Be Neuro-Sensitive?
Could you be neuro-sensitive? Kel and Michelle sit down with counselor and educational strategist Judy Lipson to find out! We explore some of the traits and characteristics, techniques and tips for dealing with family and friends with neuro-sen...
Accountability and Negativity Bias
Kel and Michelle discuss why accountability matters and how negativity bias affects our mental health. We explore how not taking accountability impacts our relationships and the psychological reasons we don’t step up.We also ...
Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 43 Deep Dive: Leaving Old Reactions Behind
In this Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 43 deep dive, Michelle highlights two themes from Justine's show, exploring regret and being open to improvements.To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest...
Leaving A Career Behind
Kel and Michelle sit down with Justine, a young professional who has pivoted between multiple diverse careers, to discuss lessons she’s learned, navigating workplace discontentment and dissatisfaction, how she is aligning her work with her valu...
Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 42 Deep Dive: The Power Of Awareness
Top recap Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 41 with Terry, Michelle delves deeper into having us try to understand our responses to adversity so we can enhance our resilience.To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our ne...
The Power Of Resilience
Kel and Michelle sit down with cancer survivor and author Terry Healey for an inspiring conversation about adversity, recovery, and resilience. After a life-threatening cancer left him with a permanent facial difference, Terry talks about how h...
Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 41 Deep Dive: Each Of Us VS The Manosphere
To recap Unrelating with Kel & Michelle Episode 41, in this deep dive Michelle talks about why it can be hard to take action or accept responsibility in our lives and when we're up against societal challenges.To ask us a question, su...
Parents Vs. The Manosphere
Kel and Michelle sit down for a candid and eye-opening conversation with educator and online content creator Abby Eckel about the challenges of raising boys in today’s negative social media landscape, how the manosphere molds young minds, and t...
Unrelating with Kel & Michelle Episode 40 Deep Dive: When To Cut Off Your Aches And Pains
After the Unrelating with Kel & Michelle Episode 40, Michelle does a Deep Dive on a type of therapy mentioned on the show with Sharon that works on the mind-body connection, and how we are physically affected by our feelings and relationshi...
When To Cut Off Your Family
Kel and Michelle sit down with psychotherapist and writer Sharon Kwon to discuss why she decided to cut ties with her parents, navigating difficult parental expectations, how to set clear relationship boundaries, and the dangers of "therapy spe...
Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 39 Deep Dive: Engaging In Your Marriage The Right Way
After Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 39, Michelle takes a closer look at a core theme from the show with Dr. Whetstone: the need to maintain connection with your partner.To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next...
Ending Your Marriage the Right Way
Kel and Michelle sit down with Dr. Becky Whetstone to discuss her early marriage struggles and journey to becoming a therapist, tools and traits for creating a happy marriage, and how struggling couples can navigate the most difficult decision ...
RE-RELEASE People Pleasing Pitfalls
Kel and Michelle sit down with holistic health coach Laura Folkes to discuss what "people pleasing" looks like, where it comes from, and the ways that it affects our relationships with our friends, family, and food.To ask us a question, ...
Holiday Dynamics
Kel and Michelle tackle common challenges and themes to help you get through the holidays.The psychology behind decorating early for the holidays, why we revert to our childhood selves around our parents, and the advantages and myths beh...
Unrelating with Kel & Michelle Episode 37 Deep Dive: Trying To Move On With Some Wisdom
After the Unrelating with Kel & Michelle's episode 37 with Scott, Michelle takes a deep dive into gaining insight and personal growth after a breakup to set yourself up better for your next relationship.To ask us a question, suggest ...
Trying To Move On After A Breakup
Kel and Michelle sit down with Scott to help him unpack his recent breakup from a long term relationship, discuss what went wrong, and how to pick up the pieces and move forward with his life.To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be o...
Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 36 Deep Dive: Shame And Rejecting Love
To recap Unrelating with Kel & Michelle Episode 35, Michelle was sparked by Melissa and Arran's episode to explore the difficulties some people have with accepting love from their partners.To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be ...
Shame And Marriage
Kel and Michelle sit down with married couple Arran and Melissa for an entertaining and thought-provoking conversation about dating, emotional baggage, communication, and how shame can affect your relationships. Melissa Petro is the author of S...
Ask Us Anything
Kel and Michelle answer your questions! What's our take on the "If He Wanted, He Would" social media fad and should someone be worried about their spouses "secret single behavior".To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next o...
Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 34 Deep Dive: People Pleasing In Relationships
To recap Unrelating with Kel & Michelle Episode 34, Michelle expands on our discussion with Laura by talking more about how people pleasing can affect relationships and how to understand and balance needs.To ask us a question, sugges...